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Wine Life Today blog: Robert Parker should be ashamed of himself…

  • Alastair · 7 months ago
    What a tosser. It is the fundamental right of every human being to be allowed to express their opinion. Just because the internet enables even small voices to be heard with (almost) equal weight it is hardly surprising that Mr Parker feels threatened.
    He is in the same position as bookshops were a few years ago, or estate agents, or auction houses, or newspapers ah yes, the traditional media - dying slowly.
    Blogs are about entertainment as well as opinion and fact and most of the ones I read are far more interesting than Parker's output.
  • Joel V · 7 months ago
    So right Alastair! So right. And of course "tosser" is a good description ;-)
  • Ryan Opaz · 8 months ago
    well said. Though I want to know about all the advertising that we bloggers take. Where? I'm sure there are some, but talk about bad fact checking, this is the one issue we can never seem to figure out. How to take money and remain independent.
  • Anthony · 2 weeks ago
    I feel dumb, but who is Robert Parker? Another thing, is California wine really all that great? I live in Missouri, so I've drinking our wine for quite some time. And I have to say that I love it, and it at a fraction of the price! I'm content drinking my 7.99 bottle of St. James Winery Friendship School Red wine.
  • Gabriella Opaz · 8 months ago
    Well stated Joel! But just to add to the conversation, how many people honestly believe this statement is true,"..as always there is a simple solution for wineries feeling ignored….make better wine…it will get attention faster than you ever dreamed"? Making fabulous wine should be the tenet of every winery, but if this statement were true, I wouldn't be writing on several of our articles "unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will taste this fantastic wine unless you come to the X region of Portugal / Spain". A well made wine will only get you so far if you live in a box and aren't communicating with wine lovers (aka consumers) outside of your area. Hence it begs the question of RP, if it isn't through wine blogging that the message gets out, what is considered the "correct" way to get a wineries message out to the wine drinking (not exclusively wine geek) public?

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  • Dirty · 8 months ago
    Joel,

    What bugs me most about this is that I feel Parker was blogger before there were blogs. The Baltimore Wine Advocate was an indy newsletter, looking to be an indy voice to bring his thoughts, impressions, and likes to the world. Sure it was a business venture, but he skipped the traditional media route, grabbed onto a relatively new medium w/ no advertisers and lots of criticism from the traditional media community. You'd think he'd be almost supportive of it (that may be a stretch) but at least not a jack-a** about it-- Making dangerous and false statements with obviously having ZERO clue about what really goes on.

    BUT- This is not uncommon behavior for him. Parker has been sued (and settled) for making damaging statements, he's attacked other critics for daring to contest his opinions, and he's seemingly employed a number of questionable people (or that don't uphold his professed standards) Hanna, now Squires, now Miller...

    Like him or not, Parker's value is not his palate but his pro-consumer, independent stance.... In light of current events, it seems that this professed independence is more myth than reality... To me, his edge and value is gone.

    <abbr>Check out Dirty’s last blog post - Old And In The Way? The Wine Advocate Gets Even Grumpier</abbr>
  • Becky · 8 months ago
    Well stated Joel. There was just a bit of ignorance of the true facts in Mr. Parker's post. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he probably wrote it in haste.
    There are certain things that ring true in his words such as that bloggers are more friendly with the trade. I see blogs as the pillars of Social Media and SM is also an emerging marketing tool so it's a natural symbiosis. One clear differentiation has to be made though: Wine Advocate cannot accept advertising because they are being PAID by their READERS.
    Most wine blogs don't have advertising but, why shouldn't they really? As you pointed out, most bloggers don't even intend to make a business out of their blog and are hobbyists. However, make no mistake: Wine Advocate has SPONSORSHIP. It's just from the consumers and not the trade, and that fact does bestow RP with a unique ability to take an altruistic position. Yet, as with journalism in general, the core of the paradigm shift that Web2.0 and freedom of information is bringing about is that representing the readers is becoming an unsustainable business model. If I was RP, I'd probably be a little uppity too, watching my revenue dwindle away. If you can't get people to pay for subscriptions anymore because they can get information for free, how do you sustain a publication? Um...advertising? I don't know, maybe there is some other model and as soon as someone thinks of it, they will be the next Bill Gates.

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  • Vintuba · 8 months ago
    Nice post Joe! Would be great to include RP in the discussion on Blogger ethics and blogging in the broader sense, just like you suggested.

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  • Tim · 8 months ago
    Although these arguments, complaints and critiques are maddening and sometimes embarrassing, I believe that they will improve the quality of traditional wine reporting, emerging wine blogging and even the wine industry itself.

    I can imagine equally heated debating and finger pointing during past technological upheavals in the wine industry, like when hybridization or non vinifera rootstocks was emerging to combat industry devastating diseases.

    In then end, we are left with a stronger and more exciting wine industry than could have been imagined before. Those who refuse to accept future are forced to watch it as it passes them by. Those that work through it, come out stronger for it.

    <abbr>Check out Tim’s last blog post - Social Media and the Large Company</abbr>
  • Lisa de Bruin · 8 months ago
    It looks like Mr. Parker's poorly researched and ill-executed attacks are part of the throes of a convulsing and transforming if not dying medium. Wine blog audiences (and other blog readers) are clearly a demographic Mr. Parker doesn't understand, care about or write for. It is unfortunate, however, when people who are valuable to the wine industry or wine consumers choose only to offer attacks and mis-informed pot-shots to a fledgling segment instead of offering to contribute to the inevitable trend that is blogging, information sharing and learning. I don't think Mr. Parker speaks to our audiences anyway, so in some ways, his tired tirade will underscore the disconnect another generation already knows exists.
  • John Corcoran · 8 months ago
    Joel: Having witnessed the progression of wine journalism over the past several years, this is reminiscent of the transition to RP as an influencer from the Balzer/Finigan era. Finigan was excised to see Mr Parker lavish praise on the 1982 Bordeaux vintage, a vintage that he thought was overripe and flabby. Mr Parker, as we know, was ebullient in his analysis of this vintage. Mr Finigin lost the battle and eventually the war. Perhaps Mr Parker should go to iTunes and download Bob Dylan's recording of 'The Times they are a Changin'. It seems apparent that an evolution from the elitist, asymmetrical model of a dominant few reviewing wine for the masses, to a new, more democratic conversational symmetrical model of wine criticism that is inclusionary, rather than exclusionary.

    <abbr>Check out John Corcoran’s last blog post - Do Wine Review Scores Matter in a Wine 2.0 World?</abbr>
  • Paul Thomas · 8 months ago
    Bold and fearless rebuttal, Joel! Greatly appreciate the careful dissection of the various commentaries. Can't really throw in my two cents, at least partially because I'm chicken, but regardless respect this insightful, detailed dialogue. Keep up the great work!
    Paul
  • bob asher · 8 months ago
    Lisa is right on the money. If Parker and his generation don;t want to go the way of newspapers and Chevrolets, they'll adapt or preach to a dwindling audience of dinosaurs like themselves.

    The Internet and blogosphere have transformed every industry from gossip and fashion to cars and computers. Now, finally, it's happening in the wine space.

    Joel - invite RP to the WBC! Let him show us the light (fading and dim though it might be!)
  • Robert Berman · 8 months ago
    It's very simple and very obvious: Robert Parker has lost his way.

    When he started out, he was like many of us. And, more importantly, he was sort of a consumer's advocate. Now he's part of the industry and all about empowering his own commercial leverage. If he were smart, he'd toss Web 0.5 like Joe and petty despots like Squires overboard.

    Unfortunately, I think he's become too much like what he railed against in the 1970s to hear the message.
  • Patrick Llerena · 8 months ago
    Joel has pinned the tail on the donkey. This is Wine 2.0! Everyone is free to opine and the shared experience - facilitated by Social Media technologies - benefits us all.

    The way in which wine is perceived, evaluated, and enjoyed has changed. Unfortunately, the self-important dinosaurs facing extinction are saying whatever they can to justify themselves to their shrinking readership. "Wine Critics" are now just another set of individuals who are free to add their expertise to the discussion. They no longer have the last word. Sad that their leader/spokesmodel has to resort to petty insults and flinging his dino-poop around.

    Parker should know better. As Hardy points out, Robert Parker, Jr was an Ur-blogger with the BWA in the old days. He should be a Paterfamilias to the wine blogging world. Instead he comes across as a tragic figure like Major Fambrough in Dances with Wolves who goes mad in his irrelevance and wets himself as he sends the next generation out into the wild.

    <abbr>Check out Patrick Llerena’s last blog post - Someone Just doesn’t get IT</abbr>
  • 1WineDude · 8 months ago
    I've thought a LOT about this topic today.

    And you know what?

    Here are some telling statistics for you:

    Number of TWA issues I've read: 0
    Number of Robert Parker reviews I've read: 0
    Number of wines I've purchased recommended by TWA staff: 0
    Number of people who I know well that have subscriptions to TWA: 0

    This is not to take anything away from Parker's amazing career. It's just to point out that a different sort of train is probably leaving the wine appreciation station.

    For now, the train is small, just like TWA was when Parker founded it. But it's got a lot of THINK-I-CAN passion behind it. Just like TWA did when Parker founded it.

    As Steve Heimoff commented on a recent blog post of mine that talked about Parker (and others), the fact that we are even considering calling Parker to task is a big sign that things are changing when it comes to wine appreciation...

    Nice work, Joel.

    <abbr>Check out 1WineDude’s last blog post - My Apology to Wine Spectator (or “Has Hell Frozen Over?!??”)</abbr>
  • Chris Butts · 8 months ago
    Who is Robert Parker?
  • Patrick Petruccello · 8 months ago
    I have lots of friends who drink wine but are not "into" wine and as the resident geek they often ask a lot of questions about wines to buy, etc. Fact is most do not know who Robert Parker is and put the same weight on his shelf talkers as the local store clerk who has a shelf talker also.

    They care about finding value wines that they will like and matches their taste profile- So if for example they like the Bogle Petite Sirah I poured they would be inclined to like the Rosenblum Heritage Clone Petite Sirah also in my opinion- So to the defense of blogs and bloggers if a person searches out a wine recomendation on the internet and comes across Bob the wine guy in Arkansas and he likes a wine that they do also then they would be inclined to give another suggestion of his a try.

    I think that might be what Parker misses in all of this, is just how big the wine drinking public has gotten in America and its growth in the last 5 years which has little to do with a Parker or Wine Spectator but people talking to people about wine.

    Ok I suck and it is time to go eat some food and drink some wine! Thinking a Girard Petite Sirah

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  • Joel V · 8 months ago
    Thanks everyone for the thoughts and kind words on the post. Just trying to defend a defamation of the WBC!

    Don't be gutless about taking a swipe at me or my work. Why is the eRob thread shut down? I didn't even get to defend my self. Complete punk move.

    For the folks who DM'd me via Twitter - it doesn't take balls to say this to Parker. Why do I give a shit if Parker likes me or not? He doesn't sign my paycheck and I'm NOT going to let my name or anything associated with me or my character (i.e. family name) get called into question.

    As far as I'm concerned, if he really wants to help, I'm sure we'd all welcome an education from the original maverick. If not, then I guess Gary Vaynerchuk really IS Robert Parker 2.0. Which is fine with me because I know Gary wouldn't punk out if he made statements like that.

    Cheers!
  • Jack · 7 months ago
    That posts on that thread by Parker and "Mao" Squires were shameful. Frankly, you can't refrute illogical comments because, well, yeah, they're illogical. Just ignore.
  • jerome · 7 months ago
    interesting - you wouldn't typically imagine that someone from an industry that allows itself to be graded subjectively with scored tastings, would have any amount of struggle understanding user based groups from the interwebz.

    or perhaps he thinks greater of wine than say food and uses zagat anyway.
  • karen786 · 7 months ago
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  • Michelle · 6 months ago
    I have a question for anyone who be helpful enough to let me know is Dr. Parker still practicing or did he close his office on Ted Crozier Blvd.? Not for me personally but the pt. needs b/p med and is out.
  • ledomduvin · 5 months ago
    I totally agree with you Alastair. I have been a Wine Buyer, Sommelier and Wine Director for the past 17 years, and a recent wine blogger yet I only obey to my taste buds. Although I respect him, I won't let myself influenced and do not care about what Mr. Parker has to say. In most cases, I taste without knowing the price, the rating or any other influential info.

    I do not discuss the undeniable work that Mr. Parker has done for the past 30 years and the amount of people that he helped along the way to be discovered and attain the recognition that they have now.

    What I'm trying to say is that Mr. Parker is only one man with one, now well established and characteristic, palate. He has been for years attracted by much more extracted, bolder, riper, heavier, woodier wines than the public wants to taste...

    When he started, the American consumers were not educated and needed to follow the conviction and enthusiasm of someone that show them the right path. 30 years later, and I'm sure that is the reason why he is acting and talking like this (as Alastair said in his comment), he is slowly dying and loosing his touch.

    People are now much more educated about wine than they used to be 20-30 years ago and they are eager for much more info than before, more precision and more discoveries: value wines, with more balance, more acidity, less wood, fresher, juicier fruit, lower prices, from smaller producers, more organic, biodynamic and from sustainable culture. More over, with this economy, who can really afford big labels and brands anymore.

    Consumers want some new juice for a better price and that is what most wine bloggers bring to our attention and write about: somewhat undiscovered, small, artisan winemaker and lesser known wineries freshly arrived in the market. New wines that have not necessarily been in Mr. Parker's office or even Wine Spectator bureau for approbation.

    They talk about what they drink and taste everyday. What fascinate them and trigger their interest. We are talking about thousand and thousand of different palates from all around the world, tasting wines from all around the world and expressing their opinions, and most of the time without rating and other numbers, just words and passion.

    I would even agree more, with Alastair comment, by repeating his last sentence: "Blogs are about entertainment as well as opinion and fact and most of the ones I read are far more interesting than Parker's output."

    Keep up the good work wine bloggers, as long as you stay true to your taste buds, to the wine and its origin, you should not be discourage to express yourself. People browsing the internet knows that to get the best info, you have to diversify your source of information. So keep up writing!

    Enjoy!

    LeDom du Vin
    www.LeDomduVin.com
  • wine clubs · 5 months ago
    Yeah Parker needs to back off. People are going to share info, that's a good thing, even if he loses some business because of it.
  • Making Wine from Home · 4 months ago
    I couldn't agree with you more Alistair. If the california vineyards want limelight, let them make the wine better. "Build it and they will come"
  • digver · 4 months ago
    Declining subscriptions and market share force Parker to wield the might of his pen. I wouldn't take this as seriously as looking into the future of open source ratings and communications about any niche, but, specifically wine.

    How long will Laube and Parker be the bar for winemaking and consumer interest in a wine? As long as it takes for the sheer viral aptitudes of interested wine lovers and growers to develop. Nothing more. We all have a hand in this and it shouldn't be in just two guys hands that have been or should be excusing themselves from the table and opening doors for the next revolution that they started 20+ years ago.
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  • Carin Marine Galletta · 3 months ago
    We are in an environment where social media is ubiquitous, it is in nearly every global household spanning young, old, rich and poor. This bloodless revolution has changed the way we read the news, get our mail, talk to our friends, network, decide our dining preference, and purchase everything from toilet paper to rare automobiles. We do it all online. And it happens in milliseconds.

    At last count, more than 60 million worldwide bloggers are talking about everything from wigs, wine, wedding bling and grandma’s recipes. According to Technorati, nearly 100K new blogs are created each day. Consumer generated media is so powerful, it helped elect the most unlikely of candidates, President Barack Obama, against nearly impossible odds.

    On the flip side, traditional media as we know it, is taking it’s last gasping breaths. Many reporters we’ve relied on for decades are going the way of the dinosaurs; by virtue of reduced space for editorial; daily layoffs; and the rise of the proletariat blogger.

    The ascendency of the blogger and the ubiquity of social media have transformed the the very definition of influencer. Like it or not, luddites beware.

    I'm sure it's very challenging as a journalist who has been the primary influencer for decades to realize that they no longer hold the keys to the kingdom. Parker's influence has been stripped away, not because of systematic conspiracy by the wine industry, but by a mass of humanity who no longer accepts that there is only one flavor profile (big fruit anyone) that is acceptable.

    Parker and can either embrace the citizen journalist or be left behind at his own peril.

    Carin Galletta
  • Joel Vincent · 3 months ago
    Well said! Thanks for the comment!
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    My pleasure!
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  • lisa schiffman · 3 months ago
    i realize you wrote this quite awhile ago, but i just came upon the posting now. bravo! a terrific point-by-point. i loved attending the wine blogger's conference this year, btw. it was my first, and i look forward to others!
  • Joel Vincent · 3 months ago
    I did write it a while ago but thanks for commenting. It was an outrageous exchange when it happened. The upside is this - let him ignore this space longer - more for the rest of us! :)
  • Wine · 2 weeks ago
    I think he was just protecting his livelihood. It's a self preservation type of attack really. Something that should be embraced moving forward instead of disparaging the medium.